Oath Keepers
 

http://www.oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

Believe it. Bx3




About Oath Keepers:

Oath Keepers is an association of currently serving military, veterans, and peace officers who will fulfill the oath we swore to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.

Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the President, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law and deprive them of their ancient right to jury trial.

We Oath Keepers have drawn a line in the sand. We will not “just follow orders."

Our motto is “Not on our watch!”

If you, the American people, are forced to once again fight for your liberty in another American Revolution, you will not be alone. We will stand with you.

There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But you can rest assured that many others in the military do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution, and understand what that means.

The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers. We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops. To win that battle, Oath Keepers will use written and video testimony of active duty military, veterans (especially combat vets), and peace officers to reach, teach, and inspire our brothers in arms in the military and police to fulfill their oaths and stand as guardians of the Republic............................

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God bless you and your like-minded associates.

Doing such a thing is the only way to maintain one's honor.

Honor is like virginity, once you lose it it's gone.

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If only...

In the words of an amateur califorina girl...

It were true...

It would be welcome...

But understand this.

The blood of the patriot will run.

The seed of liberty will not be extinguished without patriot blood. Are you willing...

But there will be a rebirth...

At least for a while...


Untill the evil forces mobilize again...

And convince us to allow them to handle our money...

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One does all that they can until it is time to raise the black flag and start slitting throats.:coolbeer:

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The handful of pirates have already hijacked the ship. One need not lower one's self to their level when dispatching them.

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Just a borrowed figure of speech. I interpret it as having to get your hands dirty when the time comes.

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."
H. L. Mencken

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thanx Bx3
ive forgotten the oath i gave some 17 years ago.:thumb.aspx:

got to go:s15:......i need to run to the local gun and knife show.

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Thank God for men like you. Funny how easily we forget history. The Nazis at Nuremburg defended themselves by saying that they were only following orders, and the world cheered when we hung them.

I hope that all of you will find the courage to follow your conscience rather than just your order.

Thank you.

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Great post!

First, I want to thank you for your service to the country. Without you and others like you our freedom would be lost. I will always regret that did not serve when I had the opportunity because I thought other paths were more important.

Second, l would like to know if there is any similar organizations for those among us who are equally committed to protecting the constitution, who have never served in uniform. I do vote for those candidates who I feel "get it", but that doesn't seem to be getting it done.

The responsibility to uphold the principles of our Founders is on all of us.

BTW - Any idea if any of our elected leaders (former military) are members of Oath Keepers?

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In answer to the above question, I would think that belonging to GIM is a good start. Education and situational awareness are priorities in this day and age. While I don't always agree to everyones opinions here, I have learned invaluable information and insight through GIM and it's members.

Educating others as well as ourselves should also be of the highest priorities, even if our friends and families don't always appreciate it.

:shine:

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http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/200...orders-we.html

Declaration of orders. Bx3

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Seriously, what a bunch of crap.

As if there arent a ton of gun laws already. Some states you can not under any circumstances carry a gun, others have such limitations and restrictions that its practically impossible to own anything but an old revolver.

Not to mention, the federal gun laws banning full auto manufacture, etc.

That already happens. The government has been conducting warrantless wiretapping for years. Not to mention, any time they want to search your vehicle, they just have to "smell" marijuana. Whether you have any or not is irrelevant.

Tell that to Jose Padilla. He was an American citizen and was held for almost 4 years as an "unlawful enemy combatant". He was also denied habeus corpus, until the Supreme Court was going to hear his case, in which he was sent to a criminal trial and then convicted and sent to prison.

He was denied his fifth amendment rights of due process, his sixth amendment rights of a speedy trial, and his eighth amendment rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

This happened already here during WWII to Japanese-Americans.

Really I could go on, but I am sure you guys get the point.

This group is nothing more than an exercise in mental masturbation. Its like someone saying, "I am drawing a line in the sand, if you cross, you will face my wrath." Then when the line is crossed, they say, "I am drawing a line in the sand, if you cross, you will face my wrath." and draw a new line farther back...

Just what exactly would have to happen before these "oath-keepers" are going to stand up and say enough is enough?

Where were these "oath-keepers" for the last 8 years, while a horrible Republican administration trampled our civil rights, spent us into the poor house, and stole anything that wasnt nailed down?

Don't get me wrong, I think the Democrats are just as bad, but Obama isnt any different than Bush, or Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan, etc. This has been going on for YEARS, why are these guys JUST NOW deciding to keep their oath, since it obviously hasnt meant diddly squat to them for an awful long time.

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Where have you been? Oh, that's right.....you have been bitching on the internet. How inspirational, now go away. Bx3

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LOL. Yep, Ive been bitching on the internet, just like the "oath-keepers". Of course, I have been doing it for years, while they are just starting out.

I guess if they are going to be like me and just bitch on the internet, I can probably give them lots of advice, since I have so much more experience.

Of course, I dont know anything about pretending that I am going to keep my "oath" and save the country for the Neocons and stop the godless liberal horde.

Maybe they should try this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_ac...e-playing_game

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Like I said, bitch ing. My co-pilot and myself actually have turned down a domestic mission based on it's un Constitutionality. The mission was canceled and the issue was dropped. With some people like yourself however, one can't win for trying. Good day.

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Like I said, mental masturbation.

I guess some people just feel like they have to be part of something bigger than themselves. Enjoy your time oath keeping.
:111::111::111:

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Hey, I am all for it if people are actually going to take their oaths seriously. I just dont believe anything is going to come of it, and its just a lot of big talk on the internet.

So far, I'm right.

What exactly was the domestic mission that was dropped because it was un constitutional?

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You are correct on specific instances that have occurred in our countries history but you are absolutely wrong to generalize on an issue that you obviously have no first hand knowledge of.

As for the canceled mission, your contempt for me has disqualified you from ever knowing. I will not waste another second validating your ignorance. Next time, try the honey instead of the vinegar.

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LOL.

Exactly what I thought. Internet tough talk. Probably some Pogue refusing to get donuts for the crew chief or something, lol.

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hmmm. 20+ years so an @sshat, @#$%^!bag like yourself can have the freedom to express yourself on the internet and tear someone else" commitment down,which appears to be all you have done lately. what's the matter daddy didn't show you enough love?

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You must have a really persuasive argument there if you just have to resort to personal attacks and cant defend your position.

All I am saying, is where have all these "oath keepers" been for the last 20 years? This just seems like a bunch of pissed off neocon bootlickers playing out their childish fantasies on the internet.

If these "oath keepers" are finally going to honor their oath, it seems like there would certainly be some examples to point out.

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Don't mind the tactics. Igorthesmall is providing some inspiration. "put up or shut up" lest, any oath keeper forgets their resolve, they can think back to the skeptics and "show them."

There's no dishonor in failing to step up to the cause. Look around you. The only time anyone has the balls to take the first step: if we're lucky: we hear about them on TV when they're getting ripped to shred's by slander.

Die for your country at war with your government, and be remembered as a traitor, hated by the people you died for. Where do I sign up?

You want to accomplish something? Don't draw a line in the sand, cause Igor is right: They'll creep past it in small steps. Recognize 20 years ago, the line would have been set at a point that we are already miles past. Silence the propaganda machine. There's one in just about ever house in the country.

Don't worry: anything worth doing is worth taking your time on. Bide your time and enjoy it while you plan and scheme, and wait for the right moment. But don't hide your head in the sand hiding from the right moment hoping it never comes. Be realistic with yourself. Don't be stupid and eager, but don't lose your nerve.

Meditate on it.(alcohol, cigarettes, and time alone to think) Set a deadline and then act beofre it comes.

Or don't. It's up to you. God know's your countrymen don't deserve your self sacrifice, but at the same time: it may transform them in to something that does. Come's down to your ego doesn't it? Can you be happy letting the dream of heroic action go?

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That there are those who DO follow those orders and have in the past, is true. What's missed here by the naysayers is that those involved in this WILL NOT do so and are leading a program to win over others.

This organization is a good thing. Let the couch potatoes discourage it. They are not important, since they betray a character bereft of integrity and will never commit to giving the ultimate for freedom. Screw 'em. Shame is, if something like this takes hold, these idiots will benefit from it like everyone else. Doesn't seem fair but a commitment to freedom is for the lackies too.

I am still under that oath and have submitted none of those orders to date. As alluded to above, when the time comes to raise the black flag and start slitting throats, it may surprise the complacent. That time gets nearer each day.

Bookmarked that site BTW. Thanks.

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I would tend to think a real group of "oath keepers" wouldn't
be posting on the internet at all...they would be keeping
OPSEC and actually DOING something.

Excuse me for being negative here but Iv'e heard this
tune before...let's see some results!...actions not words.

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1st: Wanted to clarify my intention as being supportive of action, and understanding of inaction. I am neutrally & cautiously skeptical, but love the sentiment, and am optimistic about it's success.

2nd: I apologize in advance to anyone more actionable/prepared than myself for not doing more than I have.

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Actually, you can see results... in the amount of military personnel gone AWOL. The deserters.

Those are the men and women who have acted. The ones who deserve my utmost gratitude. The ones who have put their futures and their lives on the line. Hunted as traitors. Forced into hiding. Unable to even take an ordinary job. Imprisoned when caught.

There are already thousands upon thousands of these men and women. Braver by far than those still hiding behind their brothers in arms.

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There are some very good points being brought up here by some and by others, (igor) not so much.

Action vs words: Do you think you will ever hear about any actions in the media? There are little actions occurring every day that may never be quantified and certainly not reported. Does that mean that they are not happening or are not important? For those who don't think that enough is being done by the military, my answer/question to you is, what have you done and what are you doing? The last time I checked, our Founding Fathers came from many cross sections of the Colonies, not just the military/militia. I have to laugh when some here at GIM rightly dismiss the economic and other propaganda reporting put out by the MSM but then take other reports/topics that support their positions as single source gospel.

Opsec: That is a very good point and one that there is some concern over but with a caveat. If you re-read the topic matter again, the only issues being discussed are the very responsibilities surrounding the Oath that many have taken. Historically, there is nothing revolutionary or threatening in that Oath since it sets the protections for our Constitution which is the very foundation for our country. The only people/entities who should feel threatened by such discussions are those that would threaten the Constitution in the first place. Most here have no idea of how much discussion is occurring across the military about this issue and no, this didn't just start after the recent elections. If there is ever an attempt to change the Oath or re define it away from the Constitution, Opsec will change along with many other things in this country.

Deserters: Everyone has their opinion. I personally have more respect for those that have chosen to stay while still resisting. There are many who are arguing their cases in the courts which will advance their cause ten fold rather than if they had just headed North. As for me, I choose (for now) to stay in the system where I have and will continue to try to influence events in my little world. As I mentioned before, Constitutional issues have already been argued successfully against one particular mission (for the idiot, excuse me if I don't discuss a Classified event on a public forum) and arguments on future events are currently being discussed at higher levels than you could know. The day that the last critical thinker leaves the system, all hope will be lost to ever get back to our origins.

While I will never claim to represent the entire group I can say that there are many who are aware and committed to their Oath. For those who want a punching bag, look in the mirror. For the rest who really care about our country, be thankful that there are many people like yourselves who wear a uniform and are aware of what is going on just like you.

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I understood your post morgan and was not speaking to you really.

Yes, action has taken place. The only inaction really is coming from those who just critisize and do nothing. Nothing at all.

Good follow up.

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I'd like to see some numbers on AWOL solidiers that are gone because of upholding their oath to the Constitution on principle. I suspect that most are AWOL for more selfish reasons.

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I have actually been doing all kinds of secret stuff to uphold my oath.

I just cant tell you about it because of OPSEC and you guys are mean to me!

Going home to cry in the corner and pretend I am a freedom fighter like the internet tough guys.

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At my son's officer induction ceremony, every one of the candidates publicly announced their oath to the Constitution individually, before family, friends, military, and fellow inductees...and then again the next day at graduation as a group, in front of a stadium full of people, including the President (ironically).

I was impressed how much emphasis was placed on swearing to uphold the Constitution. I think the oath to the Constitution, at this time, has more meaning to the military because of the lying and manipulation that has brought great harm to them and the nation...sometimes you don't appreciate the meaning of principles until they are threatened and you suffer the consequences of letting them be undermined by complacency.

For all of the military to personally recommit themselves to our principles can only be to the country's advantage...and to put the fear into the liars and manipulators.

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There are some very good points being brought up here by some and by others, (igor) not so much.

Action vs words: Do you think you will ever hear about any actions in the media? There are little actions occurring every day that may never be quantified and certainly not reported. Does that mean that they are not happening or are not important? For those who don't think that enough is being done by the military, my answer/question to you is, what have you done and what are you doing? The last time I checked, our Founding Fathers came from many cross sections of the Colonies, not just the military/militia. I have to laugh when some here at GIM rightly dismiss the economic and other propaganda reporting put out by the MSM but then take other reports/topics that support their positions as single source gospel.

Opsec: That is a very good point and one that there is some concern over but with a caveat. If you re-read the topic matter again, the only issues being discussed are the very responsibilities surrounding the Oath that many have taken. Historically, there is nothing revolutionary or threatening in that Oath since it sets the protections for our Constitution which is the very foundation for our country. The only people/entities who should feel threatened by such discussions are those that would threaten the Constitution in the first place. Most here have no idea of how much discussion is occurring across the military about this issue and no, this didn't just start after the recent elections. If there is ever an attempt to change the Oath or re define it away from the Constitution, Opsec will change along with many other things in this country.

Deserters: Everyone has their opinion. I personally have more respect for those that have chosen to stay while still resisting. There are many who are arguing their cases in the courts which will advance their cause ten fold rather than if they had just headed North. As for me, I choose (for now) to stay in the system where I have and will continue to try to influence events in my little world. As I mentioned before, Constitutional issues have already been argued successfully against one particular mission (for the idiot, excuse me if I don't discuss a Classified event on a public forum) and arguments on future events are currently being discussed at higher levels than you could know. The day that the last critical thinker leaves the system, all hope will be lost to ever get back to our origins.

While I will never claim to represent the entire group I can say that there are many who are aware and committed to their Oath. For those who want a punching bag, look in the mirror. For the rest who really care about our country, be thankful that there are many people like yourselves who wear a uniform and are aware of what is going on just like you.


Excellent follow up. Thank you for the clairification.

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There is a time for everything, a time to wait and watch and a time to act...now is not the time to act...not yet....at this point, the general population is not ready for a fight to the finish, they still have full bellies and some hope that everything will turn around and the crisis will abate. As long as the people have their TV's and their potato chips, they will fall in line with the established powers and will view any forceful uprising with fear. Once they get deperate, they will start to think...and when they see their own children being forcefully evicted from their homes, only then will they realize what we already know. That's how it has to be.

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I am taking at face value your pledge to uphold the Constitution. I have no reason to doubt your convictions.

Unfortunately, we have seen so many of our "leaders" who have taken the oath, who on a daily basis operate to violate the constitution. Most, of what passes for the "legal system" today is one huge violation of the constitution and those of us who care about these things are a little...skeptical...

At any rate, I hope your group is the real deal. If, and when it is time to "take sides" I hope we're on the same team.

The big joke is that with all the "law schools" turning out lawyers and judges and politicians who ALL swear to uphold the Constitution, any fifth grader can find hundreds of violations of our rights. Apparently, all of the legal scholars agree with EACH OTHER that everything is a-ok.

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I admire any group that is trying to at least inspire integrity in the oath.

My thoughts are that as unemployment rises, and people become more desperate for income, the recruitment of goons will be a snap.

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Fabonz, the Oath Keepers is not "my group" really as I have no affiliation with them outside of our common Oath and apparently, the awareness of and intent to follow it. My own convictions, while already strong were greatly strengthened by the message of RP as I already mentioned.

My intent for posting the link at GIM was to let fellow members here understand that some do get it. Make no mistake, while 100% of Oath takers should uphold their responsibilities, we all know that that won't be the case. This is the internal challenge currently going on inside some of the services.

Another point I would like to make is that while some would focus on the responsibilities of only those in uniform, we all have a shared responsibility as citizens. There are too few of US whether in uniform or not who take those responsibilities seriously or who even know what they are anymore. We should not be fighting amongst ourselves but rather trying to figure out how to better educate others away from their ignorance and apathy.

While Bellvue and I have clashed on issues in the past, I do agree with his statement regarding economic desperation fueling this fire. History is full of tragic examples that did not occur all that long ago and most know how they all turned out.

Vigilance will be the key.

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Finally you go on ignore. I've given it some time, but I find nothing of value in reading your posts.

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I think we were posting at the same time and had similar thoughts. Been a while since I ignored someone. I forgot how, but I'll figger it out.

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Wow, that was easy. Found Pirc defense there. Forgot he was ever here. Released him since he's a goner. :rofl: